By your words the 20 second video basically shows anal rape, and then you add bunch of other stuff at random during descriptions that could not come from viewing it. I ask where it comes from, you don't answer and add more random stuff instead.
It's very easy when you're making stuff up to describe anything because you're just making it up while in real life you just say what you could see and put lot more detail into it. As much as I hate Temoris, at least his story could be true from his point of view because he does go into detail of the very little he has supposedly seen.
Urban legends are easily debunked this way too. If you hear a story, and in the story it says something like "and before the victim died they were thinking of thier mom"....well nobody could know this, hence fake.
She said that after she landed on the ground near the women the moved to defend her from the mob, pouring water on the mob and pouring water on her ("I was rasping" -- but before she said this she said "I was..." then shaped her mouth to say an "A" sound but cut that off). The pouring was continuous until finally the soldiers beat their way in within batons. Sounds like it took a while but in her situation two minutes could seem like a long time. Apparently the mob had the ladies cornered but didn't attack them. The women held the mob off by throwing water at them. That's the story.
The Mystery Guest seems to be blending elements of the "fat kid" scenario (the alleyway anal scene is almost exactly the same in detail) and another rumored clip that showed her still clothed being fondled by young and old men. He had the thugs overpower the youngsters in order to transition between the narratives.
Comment from YouTube:
The Al Jasmid clip show no brutal beating. This is propaganda. Some young boys were touching her breast
so when she covers they pulled her arms attempting to rip his shirt and bra but unsuccessful as she defended.
No other physical violence. At some point she stood still as they were touching her at some point she resume defending
all 45 minutes, no point she was beat? up. No evidence of injury or bruises. Attackers are none political but street maggots
as young as 13 the rest were just watching.
The guest is making all of this up. In the CBS footage it is quite clear that Logan was surrounded by thugs from the instant the camera light died. I didn't see any kiddies in that crowd.
I agree. It seems incredible that their murderous rage could be deflected by three women showing nothing but their eyes. But I don't pretend to understand the Egyptian culture and just as I can't understand why they stared at Logan's uncovered hair like she was naked then I can't understand how an attack on the women by the mob would have deeply negative implications and so the mob would be deterred. I don't know enough about the culture to say one way or the other.
Posted by . (anon) at 7/13/2011 3:53 am
She doesn't at any time say the pouring continues until the soldiers come or that it was continuous. How would a bottle or bucket of water be continuous. Thirty seconds at best for a bottle of water like the street vendors had on sale. She doesn't say the women were cornered. She doesn't say they were throwing water to defend themselves. Half of what you're saying here... she didn't say at all.
In the CBS narrative the women are the dramatic device that allows Logan to be saved from the mob. If there are no women, and since Logan has obviously lived to tell the tale, what does that imply?
It implies that there was no mob, because if there was a mob she was not going to get away from them by herself, or that her conditions of rescue were either more or less dramatic than what was stated. More dramatic would be a gun battle between the mob and the soldiers. Less dramatic would be her getting pushed around and fondled for a few minutes by a few guys until the soldiers broke it up. The Rue89 article has a doctor who followed behind one of the soldiers rescuing her and says he saw Logan looking beaten and naked near a woman who draped her Abaya over her. So the soldiers happened and at least one cloaked woman happened according to someone other than CBS.
I took the extra info, in other words, info not in the video to be hearsay or word of mouth. Obviously, the allegedly video was taken by someone who was a witness who may have spoken to others who were there. He may only have taken 20 seconds of actual video but heard something else that our Mystery Guy (moniker, maybe?) is relating. Remember, this was a mob situation. People are probably coming (no pun intended) and going and getting pushed around so it could mean that nobody knows the actual scenario and time-frame. Again, you're not going to get an official Muslim Brotherhood documentary, although that would be nice. So you guys getting exasperated over some alleged witness's description of something are probably overreacting -- that's just the nature of this thing. If we're lucky, we'll possibly piece together some portion of this thing using info from several sources and witnesses but nobody except Lara Logan is going to know the entire story.
The mob came up to a fence where the women were camped out. The fence blocked their progress and that is when they dropped Logan near the woman. That is what the 60 Minutes guy said. If the fence didn't block the mob why would they stop there? Logan said the women poured water on the mob and poured water on her. She did say that. She said that the women and a few men moved to shield her from the mob. She did say that. And clearly the fence is behind the women relative to the mob else they couldn't get to Logan. So there is a fence behind the women and a mob in front of them.
Posted by . (anon) at 7/13/2011 4:19 am
I can see the women being involved once the soldiers start their rescue so they themselves had some protection. But it's not how the CBS story reads because they emphasise the women first and foremost.
Mystery Guy (tm) cannot explain the simplest of questions, that a child could explain.
Question: Where did you hear this?
Answer: Heard it from Bob.
Myster Guy (tm) Example:
Question: Where did you hear this?
Answer: Did I mention the pack of cayotees raping Lara, yeah, it was after they ate the young people that were thinking of nothing but raping her too.
I want to get some evidence as much as the next person, but he ain't it.